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FT Diomedes The Graduates 2199	Posted - 2016.01.08 20:56:37 - [1] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Fa Xian wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Fa Xian wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: When is tarted playing it took me 3 months of logging in every night to earn the isk to pay for my 1st Navy Raven. A couple years ago I help out a dude who was new to the game (a friend of one of my corp mates) with a Maelstrom I wasn't using. 2 Days of high sec incursions and he was in a Machariel... The wealthy, veteran player helping you earn that first Navy Raven by running his Maelstrom for you must have really sucked. Erm? what? You say you had to work to get something. Then you lament how easy it was for another person. Could it be easy because you provided a lot of guidance and help? Who helped you get the Raven? No one? So is it a surprise it was harder then? Nonsense. I had help for my 1st Raven from the guy that introduced me to the game (in the same way I helped this other guy by loaning him a t1 battleship). I had to earn my 1st Navy Raven the same way the new guy earned his 1st Machariel, via PVE. You telling me you don't understand what I'm saying? If so, let me put it this way: The guy I helped spent 2 days in 2013 doing what it took me about 90 days to do in 2007. An 88 day difference. Part of why it took so long is that I whelped 3 Ravens as a noob (when losing a t1 BS meant something), unlike my new bro, I didn't have an entire logistics squad to broadcast to. Nowadays people are starting to roam in carriers out of boredom. It's easier to get a carrier hull today via pve than it was to get a t1 BS back in 2009/10. Under the right circumstances a FW mission blitzer can earn a carriers worth of LP in 4-7 hours using nothing more than 1 character in a disposable Stealth Bomber. The point here is that CCP has made it too easy to make isk (both personally and as an organization) in this game ,even right out of the gate, we train noobs to use Navy Vexors now to make as much with a couple weeks training as pro mission blitzers with deep game knowledge did in 2009. This makes many experiences less valuable than they once were. There is no reason beyond boredom or the need to stoke thine epeen to fight over anything if everything is provided so easily. While I agree with a lot of this, there is another side to the coin as well. Making it easier to make ISK also theoretically gives people more time to PVP. In reality, people seem to spend the extra time grinding for PLEX or further pimping their PVE ships. When I first came to 0.0 it took a lot of time and energy to earn enough ISK for PVP ships. This made losses more meaningful - each lost ship represented many hours of work destroyed. Destroying a ratting Battleship was a big deal - potentially you could really cripple a player for quite a while. Today, destroying a ratting Ishtar or Gila is nothing. Yet I am still happy when I catch one. For me, Eve PVP has always been a lot like real hunting (one of my other hobbies). The hard part of hunting is not usually killing a deer - rifles and other modern weapons greatly simplify that and make it more humane - it's finding, tracking, and putting yourself in a position to take the shot. I enjoy Eve PVP because it is generally so easy to avoid a fight, so the real struggle is in surprising, baiting, or tricking your opponent into an fight. I rarely catch something I cannot kill, but I find a lot of things I cannot catch. Not all good PVP sessions end in a kill mail. The mental game of keeping track of the relative positions of friends and enemies in time and space, while hiding your strengths, and the maneuvering and fighting your own space ship, is the best PVP in any game I have played. CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
FT Diomedes The Graduates 2199	Posted - 2016.01.08 21:01:39 - [2] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: TBH i do not pvp, i do not like you got better stats so win. Sorry. But i enjoy other stuff in eve. There is far more to PVP than stats. Almost the only time stats really matter is in an arranged 1v1 (which I don't do because I don't like consensual PVP, it is a pointless waste of time, not a true contest of opposing wills). Even in an arranged 1v1, player tactics and maneuvers play a huge part (unless both players suck and it truly is a brawl between two mindless morons). CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
FT Diomedes The Graduates 2200	Posted - 2016.01.09 00:20:53 - [3] - Quote Hilti Enaka wrote: PVP in Eve iss being ruined by EWAR and Logi. These two things along with inflation have made players risk averse. If the devs did any research into gamification they would realise they have made decision that go against all of the well documented and well researched theory papers. Players have always been risk averse. E-war and Logistics do not make people risk averse - you are confusing the cure for risk adversity with the underlying condition. CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
FT Diomedes The Graduates 2202	Posted - 2016.01.09 13:40:26 - [4] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: FT Diomedes wrote: Hilti Enaka wrote: PVP in Eve iss being ruined by EWAR and Logi. These two things along with inflation have made players risk averse. If the devs did any research into gamification they would realise they have made decision that go against all of the well documented and well researched theory papers. Players have always been risk averse. E-war and Logistics do not make people risk averse - you are confusing the cure for risk adversity with the underlying condition. Making correct gameplay decisions is now "risk averse". Really? Yes, I do not view being risk averse as a bad thing. It just makes sense. In many ways, Eve is a game about managing risk. CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

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